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Cambell Club Update

The ODE ran a story today on the Campbell Club incident, mainly dueling quotes between the EPD and the co-opers. I enjoyed this part for the mental image (emphasis added):

[EPD Officer] Stubbs said people were not allowed out of their handcuffs to urinate because of safety concerns.

“One man in handcuffs had to use the restroom, so we allowed his girlfriend to help him,” Stubbs said. “He was not released from his handcuffs because he had previously been threatening officers, and it was a safety issue.”

You ol’ kinky polecats!

  1. Timothy says:

    Hmm…I wonder if this could possibly be related to police resources being wasted breaking up college parties….hmmm….

  2. Chris says:

    Yeah, some guy robbed a couple at gunpoint in the Outback parking lot after they ate dinner! Can’t be good for business. I don’t remember the Mazzi’s details, but I remember hearing about it.

    I thought about posting that article in the ‘gun’ thread too….for obvious reasons. At the very least, the news would get more interesting as “Gunman holds up couple in Outback parking lot” shifts to “Cars take the brunt of the damage in Outback Shootout as a local couple drives a .38 stake into the heart of armed crime in Springfield”. Followed by “Slow to respond, police shoot 125 rounds after the event in a public display of fiery ineptitude”.

  3. Vincent says:

    I’ve been noticing that in the news, actually. Every weekend, I’ve been hearing about 2 or 3 armed robberies, often at restaurants (Mazzi’s and Outback Steakhouse most recently, if I’m not mistaken).

  4. Chris says:

    In other news, Armed Robberies Surge Locally. Apparently there have been 7 this month alone…

  5. Betz says:

    Chris: you are correct; I believe the legal term for it is evidence that implies “beyond a reasonable doubt” that a crime is currently in progress. This definition is vague on purpose, and is usually at the heart of many search and seizure disputes. This interpretation of “beyond a reasonable doubt” varies between case to case, but all that really matters is how well that case is argued in court. There are no hard and fast legal definitions of what “beyond a reasonable doubt” amounts to; it just depends on how well the “reasonable doubt” of the officer is argued in a court of law.

  6. Chris says:

    I’m pretty sure that cops don’t HAVE to have a warrant if there is enough to warrant suspicion that the law is being broken. Not sure I remember where that has come into play with homes, but I’ve definitely seen it happen with cars. Cops don’t call for a warrant to search your car once you’ve made yourself look the part.

  7. Olly says:

    “The issue wasn

  8. Betz says:

    Talk about severe! I don’t know what kind of upbringing this guy must have had to think that kicking these students out is a fair punishment, but I can only assume that intensive psychiatric therapy would be needed to undo the damage.

    If we kicked out EVERYONE who had an encounter either with police, alcohol, or police + alcohol, that would leave the UO as a *pretty* quiet place.

  9. Chris says:


    A) The person is obviously out-of-touch, but entitled to an ignorant opinion

    B) I’m not sure that college kids are clamoring to absorb tax-funded policing

    C) Blames students first/only

    D) If he thinks this is “debauchery”, he should head to Wazzu sometime.

    I don’t know. It just comes across as someone looking for an opportunity to whine. That, or Mr. McLain is a puritan killjoy. I know, a limited conclusion.

    I was a non-trad student while I went to school here too, but I hardly expected that college-life was going to be devoid of parties, alcohol and the occasional brush-up with the law.

    I loved this line “I sincerely hope these students…get brought up on student conduct charges that end with a result of not being allowed to attend school here”.

  10. Scott says:

    Don’t know if anyone saw this in the emerald today but it’s clearly about the Cambell club:

    Second one down the list.


  11. SR says:

    The issue wasn’t that they were trying to get a warrant, it was that they were trying to get in without a warrant. A warrant limits them to collecting the evidence they’re pre-committed themselves to looking for; being ‘invited in or breaking in with sufficient probable cause to stand up in court would have let them open charges for pretty much anything they found there.

  12. Chris says:

    Is it just coincidence? I’m out and about on campus at random times throughout the day, and during the last 3 days I’ve been walking from A to B and passed by an EPD cruiser going up/down 13th street on campus…as in the part where most people walk and ride bikes, not where the shops are.

    I don’t really care, but I don’t remember seeing them as often. Rent-a-cops and DPS yeah…but not EPD.

  13. Betz says:

    I agree that the fourth amendment was put in place to protect individuals from governmental oversteps; but many times (and especially in Eugene), it is invoked by students who are trying to be a wise-ass and inhibit a legitimate police investigation / inquiry (investigation can be a very small thing, such as following up on a noise complaint or suspicious activity sighting).

    The police obtained a warrant. These may not be the hardest legal documents to obtain, but judges don’t issue them willy-nilly; evidence of wrong-doing or suspicion must be passed and evaluated by a judge in order to grant a warrant. The police listened to the warrant request, went to court, woke up a judge to issue the warrant, and then police continued their investigation (and furthermore, found “illegal” kegs, whatever that means.) What is so wrong with that?

    If residents are alarmed at the level of response of the police – are they really that surprised? In all of my experiences with run-ins with the cops, I have tried the attempt at invoking fourth amendment rights twice; and of all of my run-ins with the cops, I have received legal punishments (MIP and a citation, for which I had to go to the UO’s alcohol awareness class) twice … I’ll let you guess which ones those are. Whenever I have co-operated with police, they are much more likely to let the guilty party off clean, or with a much less severe punishment (and lets face it – 95% of the time, you HAVE done something wrong, and know it). The point is, police are doing a job, and want that job to go as smoothly as possible. The last thing they want are a bunch of college students trying to one-up them, and make them wait on the curb for three hours while the residents inside move their kegs upstairs behind locked doors and hide minors in their “living quarters”, aka the attic. I would be a little irked too if I were a police officer and suspected (which I would later confirm) that the residents in question were trying to inhibit an investigation.

    The fourth amendment was put in place to protect people from wrongful search and seizure; not to protect people from legal repercussion when they have committed a crime.

  14. Tman says:

    I like how EPD became “more aggressive” when the residents insisted on their right to be searched with a WARRANT. The whole point of our 4th amendment rights is to protect us from governmental wrongs, yet EPD says that we need to cooperate with them when there is a crime. Give me a break

  15. Chris says:


  16. Betz says:

    “Whenever a door bangs or car lights flicker along the walls, people jolt.”

    I was doubtful from the beginning whether or not the police actually did anything “wrong” here (“wrong” being a somewhat subjective term), but I’d be more sympathetic if the club residents didn’t play up the ‘poor defenseless victims that were brutalized by the mean ‘ol stormtroopers’ card.

    That cheese is so thick you can cut it with a knife and use it as plumbing sealant.

  17. Jackson says:

    Kinky as hell. Great midnight read!

  18. Chris says:

    I thought that was funny too when I read it.

  19. Meghann says:

    Awesome. That should have been in the lead.

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