Frohnmayer calls out Pacifica Forum on “gutter bigotry”
President Frohnmayer recently issued a letter denouncing the Pacifica Forum for its sometimes “unabashedly racist” content. The letter came at the urging of the community board of Oregon Hillel, a Jewish student group on campus; they were prompted to action by a disturbing, anti-semitic screed written by PF regular Valdas Anelauskas attacking ODE columnist Deborah Bloom.
While Frohnmayer spent plenty of time denouncing the forum, he was careful not to call for their outright banishment from campus. From the Register-Guard article:
Frohnmayer said in his letter that groups such as the Pacifica Forum may use UO facilities but do not speak for the university. The appearance of any speaker on campus does not imply the UO’s “endorsement, support, or even its moral indifference to the content of a message,” he wrote.
But while Frohnmayer and members of Hillel made it clear that they weren’t questioning the forum’s right to spew forth insane drivel, Anelauskas decided to have himself a free speech pity party:
Anelauskas was unimpressed. Frohnmayer, he said, “probably just caved in to the so-called Anti-Hate Task Force and it doesn’t really do him any honor.” As to the student journalist’s column, Anelauskas said he doesn’t regret his response — “not a bit.”
“This is an issue of free speech, first and foremost,” he said. “I have the right to say anything about everything, anything and anyone, including Jews.”
For being dedicated to the free dissemination of ideas and discussion, some members of the Pacifica Forum get awfully touchy when criticized. In fact, it seems to be a standard defense of theirs to cry “censorship!” whenever challenged. Maybe Anelauskas should get used to the fact that there will be public backlash to his abhorrent ideas. Oh, and by the way, you don’t have the right to “say anything about everything, anything and anyone.” Freedom of expression is not absolute, at least if the Supreme Court of the United States has anything to say about it.
Even Orval Etter, the founder and defender of the Pacifica Forum, is starting to catch on to Anelauskas’ douchebaggery, although not as decisively as one would hope:
Etter expressed some concerns about Anelauskas but did not outright denounce his views. “I now see he’s taken a more anti-Semitic position; I didn’t sense that at first,” Etter said. “He’s a fairly scholarly guy. There’s been some yelling about him having a platform, but (people) are not picking him apart in terms of what he’s coming up with.”
What he’s coming up with? Anelauskas’ presentations are “fairly scholarly” in the same way the Time Cube is fairly scientific. People don’t debunk Anelauskas’ claims because they have no basis in reality. I can’t conclusively disprove the idea that a secret cabal of Jewish bankers run the world, much the same way that I can’t disprove that there’s a Ford Pinto orbiting Saturn.
For the record, I don’t believe the Pacifica Forum should be kicked off campus. Most people go through their lives never actually hearing the kind of things Anelauskas says. Most people aren’t aware this kind of thinking is still around, much less in their hometown. You could consider this a good thing, but on the other hand they never have the chance to refute it, to think critically, defend and further illuminate the truth. As John Milton wrote in 1664 in his Areopagitica:
“Though all the winds of doctrine were let loose to play upon the earth, so Truth be in the field, we do injuriously by licensing and prohibiting to misdoubt her strength. Let her and Falsehood grapple; who ever knew Truth put to the worse in a free and open encounter?”
My coverage of the Pacifica Forum is archived here.
That letter to Bloom is nauseating.
CJ, you beat me to the argument that the Commentator calling out the PF for its racism is quite telling, given the accusations thrown at you from certain other people on this campus.
At this point, the arguing seems pretty ridiculous. Is there any point in continuing to acknowledge DC’s existence?
DC, I’d also like to point out that if you’re going for the “PC apologists” angle, you’re barking up the wrong tree. People have in the past and continue to call the Commentator and its writers “hateful,” racist” and “ignorant.” Because of this we don’t throw out such words flippantly. The fact that I’m calling Anelauskas a racist should tell you something.
Read his letter to Deborah Bloom again. Carefully. He’s not attacking Bloom. He’s attacking the Jewish race.
I’m still trying to figure out how defending Pacifica Forum against charges of racism and anti-Semitism by churning out post after post of textbook anti-Semitic conspiracy mongering and linking to extremist websites filled with rhetoric about “apartheid” and “World Jewry” is supposed to encourage anyone to attend a Pacifica Forum meeting to “see for themselves” what an enlightened and open-minded atmosphere it really is.
DC just hasn’t figured out that in most societies, some viewpoints — “THE JEWS DID IT!!!!” being one of them — simply are no longer acceptable, no matter how hard people try to dress it up underneath the tattered rags of “peace and justice” or “truth seeking”.
Your ideas are antiques, mate. They date from such lovely places and times as Tsarist Russia, Medieval Europe, Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union, to name a few. It’s time to pack that shit up, throw it in a box, and toss it in the dumpster. Like the KKK, the most of the world has left you and your ideas behind.
The US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation? Not a reliable source.
Geez, your sources are lacking, biased, and effectively dismissable.
HC you and gulley should hang out I bet you would get along real well
I think the media pun quota has officially been fulfilled for this entire fucking century.
Jews are plain ‘ole people, Sakaki. And I’ve not actually thought about who I think killed him, the point is that there are many things going on that warrant examination, things you won’t see on ZNN and FAUX. And once you’re paying attention to the degree in which our lame-stream media is filtered, there is little reason to pick up the remote, except to get even more brain-dead.
Lets see if any of today’s “talking points” by The US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation, make the headlines: Read ’em in honor of this week’s suicided Palestinian activist, teacher, father and humanitarian.
But it’s all to easy to predict how the House will vote today, do you read, kaki?
Talking Points on H. Con. Res. 322 and Israel’s 60th Anniversary
* The establishment of the State of Israel was accompanied by the widespread ethnic cleansing and dispossession of indigenous Palestinians from their homes and lands. Israel destroyed at least 418 Palestinian villages and towns and caused to flee or forcibly exiled at least 711,000 Palestinians. Palestinians recall this record of destruction, dispossession, and ethnic cleansing as the Nakba, or “catastrophe”, in Arabic.
* To this day, Israel has prevented these Palestinian refugees and their descendants, who now number nearly 4.5 million people, from exercising their right to return despite the fact that this right is guaranteed generally under international humanitarian law and specifically by UN General Assembly Resolution 194. Meanwhile, Israel adopted a law of return which guarantees Israeli citizenship to Jewish people worldwide. By treating people differently based on ethnicity or religion, Israel’s differential treatment of Palestinian refugees and Jewish immigrants is one manifestation of its apartheid policies.
* Palestinians who were not ethnically cleansed from their homes and lands in 1948 were given Israeli citizenship but remain subject to discriminatory policies. Palestinians with Israeli citizenship were forced to live under military occupation until 1966. The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel today counts more than 20 Israeli laws that explicitly discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel who comprise approximately 20% of Israel’s population. Palestinian citizens of Israel are also discriminated against in land use policies and Palestinian communities in Israel receive disproportionately less government funding than Jewish communities. The second-class citizenship of Palestinians in Israel and the discrimination they are subjected to are another manifestation of Israel’s apartheid policies.
* Since 1967, Israel has illegally occupied the Palestinian West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip. Israel’s brutal record of collective punishment, torture, killing of civilians, building illegal Israeli settlements, walls, barriers, and checkpoints is well-documented by Israeli, Palestinian, and international human rights organizations. The fact that Palestinians are subjected to military laws under perpetual military occupation while Israeli settlers are subjected to civil law and can drive on Israeli-only roads in the Occupied Palestinian Territories is yet another manifestation of Israel’s apartheid policies.
Given Israel’s 60-year record of ethnic cleansing, dispossession, discrimination, military occupation, and apartheid against Palestinians, the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation urges Representatives not to vote for resolutions or make statements that fail to recognize the historic injustices that Israel has inflicted on the Palestinian people and the injustices that it continues to inflict daily. Members of Congress have an obligation to pass resolutions and make statements that accurately reflect the historical record and not unambiguously applaud the anniversary of countries such as Israel with such dismal human rights records.
On Tuesday, April 22, the House of Representatives is scheduled to vote under suspension on H. Con. Res. 322, “recognizing the 60th Anniversary of the founding of the modern State of Israel and reaffirming the bonds of close friendship and cooperation between the United States and Israel.” In addition, Speaker Pelosi has reserved floor time each week through June for Representatives to make statements on Israel’s 60th anniversary.
The US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation, a national coalition of more than 250 organizations working to change U.S. policy toward Israel/Palestine to support human rights, international law and equality for all, has prepared the following talking points for the consideration of Representatives voting on resolutions and making statements on the occasion of Israel’s 60th anniversary.
Okay, so a guy died. You think Jews did it? Why not just a plain ol’ person?
You, DC, are not only obsessed, but are in dire need of removing yourself from the gene pool.
By the way CJ, your title is pretty off~
Frohnmayer calls out Pacifica Forum on
CJ, I tried using the instructions on the HTML site you referred DC to for posting a comment on another blog, and I couldn’t get it to work. This site here has instructions that did work, under “Anchor.”
World Jewry doesn
DC is nothing more than a shill for hate. I think he needs to be displayed at the Oregon Zoo as a rare species of asshole.
World Jewry doesn’t include every Jewish person, Vincent.
I know, I know, you’re thinking “…where’s my royalty check?”
Heard most of ’em, I have.
Bye.
You do realize that linking to a website that refers to “World Jewry” doesn’t really help your cause, right?
>>>They
More on Riad Hamad
One try. Thanks.
(I am doing other things also/ thanks for the page)
Oh, and Robert Fisk and Electric Intifada? You might as well start quoting Goebbels and the Protocols. They’re just about as credible.
So, tell me again how obsession with Jews and Israeli conspiracies to control information and assassinate people isn’t anti-Semitism?
You forgot to fix my Jewish Groups vie to Free Johnathon Pollard link (NYTIMES)
Thanks, I don’t know how to act w/out toolbars.
Regards.
dc: Did you seriously use the word “sheeple”?
Hey, dc. Use html to make links. It fucks up our navbar if you just paste the URL into your comments. Here’s how you do it. Real simple.
Riad Hamad, 55, Rest in Peace.
LINK FIXED AGAIN BY THE MANAGEMENT. HTML IS NOT CONTROLLED BY ORGANIZED JEWRY. IT IS YOUR FRIEND.
~
Man found in Lady Bird Lake was teacher, FBI target
SERIOUSLY, STOP IT
Austin police said Thursday that they are leaning toward a ruling of suicide in the death of a middle school teacher and activist whose body was found Wednesday in Lady Bird Lake with his hands and legs bound and tape over his eyes.
Police identified Riad Hamad, 55, at a news conference Thursday and said the binding of his limbs and the placement of the tape was consistent with Hamad having done it himself.
Posted Apr 21, 2008 11:28 AM PST
Category: ASSASSINATION
See Mossad death squads operating in the US By Robert Fisk
more at whatreallyhappened.com
For Laura,
LINK FIXED USING MAGIC HTML. TRY IT SOMETIME.
THE CAMERA EYES IN ON ISRAEL… AND LIES
A pro-Israel pressure group is orchestrating a secret, long-term campaign to infiltrate the popular online encyclopedia Wikipedia to rewrite Palestinian history, pass off crude propaganda as fact, and take over Wikipedia administrative structures to ensure these changes go either undetected or unchallenged.
Posted Apr 21, 2008 11:50 AM PST
Category: COMPUTERS/INTERNET/SECURITY
>>>most people think the things that come out of the forum are vile and bigoted…<<<
The easiest people to propagandize, are those who don’t even know they’re being propagandized.
(PS It’s no “grand conspiracy”, it’s rather lame and transparent, at least as far as who the perps have been..Yet unfortunately, they’re effective enough.
Have a good life, crew~ I’ll just ask that in future encounters, whereby any of you may decide to help a small group discredit another; it’d be wisest to do your research, your OWN research, it’ll have better long term results than the usual sheeple-seal bark.
Winston
DC seems to be wildly thrashing about, unable to comprehend that most people view the Pacifica Forum as vile and bigoted not because of paralyzing ignorance or some grand conspiracy against the noble crusaders of truth, but rather because most people think the things that come out of the forum are vile and bigoted.
It kind of reminds me of Diego Hernandez’s “I mean he called me a racist, what does that mean?” line.
DC – You’re hilarious buddy, thanks. Serious question though, why are you quoting stuff like this is usenet? It’s 2008 man, learn to use a little html!
Gsim: “Those yarn people are defunct.”
I am oddly saddened by this news. They could have evolved into a kind of yarn-weaving/anti-Pacifica Forum umbrella group.
Silly DC, just look it up on Wikipedia. It’s what everyone else does: Hate Speech
PS,
Would one of you more up to date in PC dogma people furnish a (PC) definition of “Hate Speech” for me?
many thanks.
[Insert Jeopardy final round tune]…
Now I know who you are, you’re the frowning one from the “MLK/Communist?” Forum.
(Hi.)
I believe you’re not Hal Applebaum. /Knew I was going out on a limb.
Where did you hear “hatred” at that MLK Forum?
And what, of the offering, could be characterized as “ignorant”?
>>Everything CJ chronicled in his coverage of the meetings fit with what I
I assure you I am not Hal Applebaum. Not even the same gender. Or close to the same age. Come to think of it, I’m not entirely sure who Hal Abbplebaum is. There are multiple people in the world with the same initial who prefer not to use their real names. I’m a student about to graduate and I like to limit what can come up in Google searches of my name. I don’t care if you believe me, but I thought I should let you know you’re jumping to some incorrect conclusions.
I am, however, a person who HAS attended a PF meeting and read Anelauskas’ post on Deborah Bloom’s column. That post was hate speech, plain and simple. And what I heard at the PF meeting I went to was far from intelligent discourse. What I heard there represented at best, ignorance and at worst, hatred. Everything CJ chronicled in his coverage of the meetings fit with what I’ve seen at the meetings.
Just noticed this comment from “H”. (That you, Hal?)
>>Yeah, DC. You
To DC: Anelauskas’ was the only comment removed because it was the only one that was hate speech.
I suspect he has finished with the level headed approach, it did not work very well for him with regard to combating the CALC ‘Anti’ Hate Force’s (rather transparent) discredit-the-Lithuanian messenger-before-his-points-gain-traction, campaign.
Many people write in a relaxed/ ‘familiar’ way, when posting on blogs. Like this, for instance: “Apparently, the Daily Emerald, Hillel, the OC (and Frohnmayer, by extension) condone the lude and sexist comments which remain posted at the Deborah Bloom piece, preferring to single out Valdas’, only. The other posters threats of raping the student journalist or waterboarding her, don’t ruffle Hal Applebaum, no sir-ee…” because Hal doesn’t have an issue with them. Valdas Anelauskas is what Applebaum fears~
(Hal should stick to “Freeing Johnathon Pollard”, convicted American Spy for Israel/ how’s that campaign going for ya, Hal?) THIS IS THE INTERNATIONAL ZIONIST CONSPIRACY SPEAKING: STOP POSTING LONG TEXT LINKS TO THIS BLOG, OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES. WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO SEND ADAM SANDLER TO GET YOU. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT)
~The DBloom piece was pure drivel, a dangerously naive spin on a hyper-important topic. She sucked it. He called her on it, with fury. Did you ever actually read it CJ, or are you going by the Doug Feith version(s) of it? Many of us would never have read it, if not for Michael Williams useful idioting for Applebaum, +.
>>There is even a famous saying that wars are the Jews
Sorry, DC. The spam filter is being a little heavy-handed today.
Anywho, considering the Anelauskas wrote the entire speech that Marr presented, I think it’s fair to say that I’ve heard an Anelauskas lecture. A rose by any other name, right?
I remember Jimmy Marr remarking in a later forum that Anelauskas asked him to read it because of Anelauskas’ thick accent. A little different than putting notes together “to aid someone else in bolstering a topic” wouldn’t you say?
Also, I haven’t heard you put up a defense for Anelauskas’ vile letter to Deborah Bloom. Where’s the scholarship in that? Where’s the “FACTS”? All I read was frothing-at-the-mouth bigotry. To wit:
“[O]nly from people of that peculiar tribe can we expect such Talmudic hatred for humanity. There is even a famous saying that wars are the Jews’ harvest. And today it is truer than ever.”
Wow, look at that level-headed and astute analysis! He’s a regular Rhodes Scholar. How unfortunate that people pigeon-hole him as a racist without listening to his “FACTS.”
Yeah, DC. You’re right. It’s very telling that in a town full of reasonably intelligent, educated people, there is backlash against a hateful, bigoted douchebag. We’re the bad ones. Yup.
RE: My 4:00 post.
Here’s a copy/less the link I’d provided.
>>>”DC: I have attended one of Valdas
Why the delay in my 4:00 post?
Guess I’m being filtered. In much the same way as the Jeff Wright article was delayed, I speculate.
Outrageous.
I am watching an animal planet show about some amphibian called a “sicilian” and the babies eventually eat their mother alive. This reminds me of a certain senator
I heard Gulley was the special guest speaker next week???
Jake: No, I’ve just been trying to be more pretentious lately. I’m hoping it will get me laid. I mean, it works for Harold Bloom, right?
DC: I have attended one of Valdas’ lectures, actually. The Martin Luther King lecture that Jimmy Marr read was written by Anelauskas. Most of the “evidence” presented consisted of unreleased FBI wiretaps and tangential connections between the Communist Party and the NAACP, Southern Leadership Conference, et al. Shouldn’t the fact that Anelauskas managed to spin that into a worldwide plot by Jewish communists to divide and conquer America tell you something?
Furthermore, I’ve looked at a lot of the material Anelauskas has posted online, such as a lecture on the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. I’m not sure if you’re aware, but the Protocols are not a credible source, and anyone who uses them as such is laughable. I haven’t looked at any of the other books he’s using, but I’m assuming the “scholarship” in them is a lot like your pal Mark Weber’s – lazy and fallacious.
P.S. Beautifully appropriate “close”. Yes, truth IS in the field.
>>>What he
Damn CJ, first a Becket reference and now Milton? Are you taking an intro to English lit class or something?
Tyler – I thought that was the Bias Response Team?
Those yarn people are defunct. Consequently, the OC will be expanding our square footage shortly.
We’ll be needing more room for our up-and-coming stripper pole.
Olly: They’ve been around forever. I think they even had an office next to ours — before the yarn people moved in.
“Gutter bigotry” is a really good locution.
However: there’s an “Anti-Hate Task Force” now? Do they have a theme song?
Oregon Hillel is off-campus. But good post – totally agree that Pacifica Forum should be given a space on campus for the very reasons you mentioned above: people simply forget that this kind of thinking DOES and ALWAYS exists. And when people become too passive, then bad shit happens. So I hope Vlad, the fucking anti-Semite racist he is, keeps going on and on so he can keep being made to look foolish.
However, if he starts to invade Poland we got problems on our hands.