Tom Cruise: Yup, Idiot.
Drudge posts this transcript from a Today show appearance this morning wherein Mr. Cruise opines about how dangerous it is that some kids are on “anti-psychotic drugs” and how horrible a thing it is to use other “anti-psychotic drugs” when one is depressed. Hrm.
The thing is, Tom, that neither Adderall nor Ritalin is an anti-psychotic. In fact, both of them are pretty near to methamphetamine in chemical composition (Adderall being a combination of amphetamine and dextroamphetamine), one of the side-effects of which is potential psychosis if abused over the long-term. Methamphetamine has been known to induce paraniod-schizophrenia, for instance. So, yeah, I’ll agree that giving kids speed might not be the best medical choice, and that ADHD looks surprisingly like what we used to call “childhood”, but get the damn facts right.
Now, about those anti-depressants. Those aren’t anti-psychotics either. The main class continues to be Selective Saratonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) like Prozac or Zoloft. There are also other options like Wellbutrin.
It’s true that recently some anti-psychotics have been used to treat bi-polar patients with some success, but that doesn’t reclassify Stimulants and SSRIs as “anti-psychotic drugs”. Let’s be very clear: anti-psychotics are used to treat psychotic disorders, particularly Schizophrenia. Anti-psychotic medications have become fairly important in the treatment of schizophrenia, and there are new ones on the way, but that still doesn’t change the facts on the ground: stimulants and SSRIs aren’t anti-psychotics you ignorant, Scientologist dolt.
Tom Cruise is completley nuts, but I do agree that he’s right about one thing – drugs are too frequently prescribed to children. We don’t know enough about what they could do to a developing brain. 10 years ago, boys would be boys….we don’t want to discipline the little angels, so we drug them into a stupor, instead…it’s just easier…but it’s not right.
The makers of Eskalith (a lithium choice) have published severala peer review articles in medical journals on studies relating to lithium in nonbipolar patients…if you’re interested in this, I’d start there.
~~~I believe very strongly in the human spirit as well as the biology. I underwent several years of group and individual counseling to work out any psychological factors that might be contributing to my bipolar sympotms. But in the end, there is still an imbalance in my brain that is not caused by any emotional trauma.
If you are really interested in learning more about the biological aspects of mental illness, I suggest you research the PET scans of depressed patients compared to control subjects. The brain has literally shut down most fuctions. Now, you may say that this is because the person needs spiritual guidance, vitamins, and exercise. But for someone like me, who was healthy, ate a balanced diet, exercised, took vitamins, and had a fulfilling spiritual life at the time of my first major depression, that doesn’t hold up.
As a side note, fluoride toothpaste can cause hippocampal brain damage. I’m thinking that all the brushing Tom is doing for his million dollar smile may be the reason for his strange behavior…
Because I think it’s interesting that there exists evidence for us being spiritual beings, or thetans (from the Greek letter Theta, meaning thought, i.d. the spirit himself) on scio-lingo. People (not just in scientology) have been outside their bodies etc. Should we just rule that out as some wacko BS?
Yes, yes we should rule it out as wacko BS. The same way we rule out the ravings of folks who’ve been “abducted by aliens” as either lies for attention or delusions. The same way we, we being the rational humans in the room, rule out the ravings of paranoid schizophrenics who aren’t John Nash*.
* Nash’s work has been independently verified, and not by a sycophantic cult-following either, nay, by skeptical mathemeticians and economists.
Nick:
It depends what you mean by “possibility”. I mean, in the most technical of senses we live in a universe of infinite possibility so it is “possible” that we’re spiritual beings. However, within the bounds of actual, you know, science, no. But, seeing as your God/Scientology/Xenu/Cult hypothesis is non-falsifiable, it’s useless from any sort of standpoint. The whole mind/body separation in modern thought is really Descartes’ fault, that bastard should’ve stuck to math. In any case, I categorically reject all that superstitious clap-trap, all belief in spirits or magic, God, gods, that crap about Xenu, and Catholic Girls. Why? Because I can think properly and, as mentioned above, supernatural hypotheses aren’t falsifiable and therefore useless.
That said, if you want to join up in some pay-per-view cult, hell, that’s your own lookout. So long as you don’t, say, show up on an obscure college magazine website to defend one of your members from ridicule, ne’er our twain shall meet. Of course, I’ll still think you’re a crackpot, but that’s not really my problem.
Question: I am of the opinion that all Scientologists are weak-minded, foolish, and the sorts of people so desparate for approval they join up in the first thing that seems to work. Also, I think L. Ron Hubbard was a crank, not to mention a totally unreadable hack. Does this make me SP? Will y’all be sending out the OSA on my ass? If so, bring it, assholes.
Let’s see, brain chemistry and bipolar disorder. A general index of stuff from JAMA can be found here. However, this study on imaging studies in bipolar kids might be the most on-target. I fully expect that your addled mind will manage to reject these for some made up reason or another, but there’s also this stuff from the New England Journal of Medicine.
I still think the most interesting part is that you showed up in a fairly obscure corner of the web to defend one of your own. Maybe the conspiratorial theories about L. Ron’s sychophants are true…hrm…curiouser and curiouser.
Jennifer,
Well, threat and threat… its use is based on the biological viewpoint.
I’m interested in scientific reports about that bi-polar brain reaction, have you got any link?
Like I stated, mental illness origin from the mind, not the brain. This purely physical viewpoint is a little bit narrow, what about the spiritual part?
Scientology promotes vitamins, but discounts the use of lithium chloride, which is an element, in fact, an elemental salt, not unlike the salt combined by sodium and chloride. For some reason, the bipolar brain responds to increased levels of this salt and it has no effect on other brains.
Why is lithium, AN ELEMENT LIKE OXYGEN or CARBON, considered such a terrible threat to the human body?
I did read Dianetics several years ago. To be honest, I felt like it sounded more like the rantings of a paranoid schizophrenic than a guide to spirituality. I respect the right of the Scientology organization to disagree with science. However, I think it’s very wrong for celebrity members to try to use their influence so irresponsibly.
to Tom “The Man” Cruise,
Have I ever said that Vitamins will make voices go away? Scientology Organizations of today are over-reacting regarding psychiatry. Although I’m very skeptical about psychiatric drugs, this is a free world where adults can do what they want?
If anybody wants to take medication, it’s up to them. Scientology TOTALLY being against psychiatry creates more harm then good. They need to soften up a little.
to NICK THE DICK
Yes, ha, English is my second language. Can you tell? Damn, I need to work on it better.
SOME FACTS ABOUT AUDITING
Questions for all you guys at this forum:
1) Have any of you read any Scientology books?
2) Have you done any auditing?
3) Have you done any courses?
I’m not talking about that Xenu stuff now, I’m talking about first and foremost the Reactive Mind, where mental image pictures containing pain, unconciousness and disemotions are stored, being able to be restimulated later in life, causing pains, sadness, even mental illnesses such as bi-polar, depression etc for no particular reason.
Bi-polar for example is known to origin from an engram (mental image picture containing unconciousness) containing those very two syndroms: Manic and Depression. It COULD be two phrases, such as somebody screaming: “You are happy!” and later in the engram somebody says “You feel bad, don’t you?” The engram gets restimulated for some reason and starts a circular reactivation, causing these two conditions.
For any bi-polar, my suggestions is: Quit the medication, read Dianetics and try the auditing for free at some local org. Then audit with a friend or something, without E-meter. For free. Try to find the incident(s) that are casuing your mental disease. If it doesn’t work out, go back to your medication and feel happy you’ve at least TRIED Dianetics.
Auditing comes from the word audio meaning “sound” or “listening”. The Auditor (The listener) guides the Pre-Clear (the guy getting audited, he is PRE-clear before he’s reached the state of Clear, where the Reactive Mind has been erased) through different incidents such as pain, sorrow, unconciousness etc. etc. That can come from a life before this life.
The auditor uses an E-meter (Electro meter), NOT a lie detector. It sends a very weak current (you don’t feel it, I think about 2 Volts) through the PC’s body, and most importantly also though his mind (the Mental Image Pictures, NOT a part of his brain or body, it surrounds the PC in space or something), where mental images are stored.
When things happen during the auditing, the energy in the mind changes, and this is seen on the E-meter. The needle movements come in all sorts of different sizes and shapes and is used to guide the preclear through the incidents.
The Pre-Clear re-tells the memory over and over again, getting more and more details out of it, remembering more and more, until finally the negative incident is AS-IS:ed, that is, it is confronted exactly as it is with no distortions. Then the negative energy in it goes away, or blows on scientology lingo.
This is something I’ve experiences myself and is quite a feeling.
The auditing goes on and on until finally enough incidents have been blown and your so called Reactive Mind has been erased, this can take hundreds of hours, less or more. The reactive mind contains negative energy and its purpose was originally probably to warn about dangerous situations. However, it can cause heavy problems due to it’s unability do differentiate between different things. It thinks A=A=A, e.g. Milk=pain=elbow.
So for example, if the PC drops a glass of MILK it might create a HURTING ELBOW, because an earlier incident containing this information in the reactive mind gets restimulated again (this of course demands that an incident before involves MILK and a HURTING ELBOW). This might explain some strange pains or emotions a person might feel from time to time that are unexplainable.
Well, these are the basic principles. There’s much more to it than that, but…
On higher levels you work with decisions you’ve taken that you have forgotten, but still have an effect on you today.
Nick
Nick oh Nick my savior thank you will you help me stop the voices they keep following oh make them stop audit them away please the pain oh the pain but i cannot relate my friends they say i don’t empathize but what do they know oh shut up stop feeding me these ideas nick make it go away please oh nick baby
Nick, is English your second language or are you an uneducated dimwit who cannot construct a sentence?
The voices – the voices! They call to me! Why don’t they stop? Give me my vitamins. Oh, where are they? Did you take them? Did you?!!! Give them back – Oh wait, who is that? Are you following me? Get Away! Oh, shut up, shut up!! Why won’t you stop?! No, I won’t do that. I won’t. Oh Brooke baby, I’m so sorry. Where the hell are my vitamins?! I need to clear. I want to be cleared. OK, how much will it cost? Who is that? What do you want? Why do you follow?
Wholy crap, your reactions are really fascinating! Guys and gals, if anti-depressants or anti-psychotic medication worked for you, that’s great. I’m not going to stop you, anything that works is good. I’m not going to invalidate your wins. If it’s true for you, it’s true for you.
Timothy, is there any, slightest, smallest possibility that we actually are spiritual beings? Likewise, is there any possibility at all that we have lived before this life? Or do you totally, absolutely with no doubt at all just rule it out as not something to even look into?
Because I think it’s interesting that there exists evidence for us being spiritual beings, or thetans (from the Greek letter Theta, meaning thought, i.d. the spirit himself) on scio-lingo. People (not just in scientology) have been outside their bodies etc. Should we just rule that out as some wacko BS?
I think every perspective and angle are worth investigating further. Galileo was sent into jail for stating that the earth was round. The priests of that time obviously had a very conservative viewpoint, that’s why I always courage a liberal perspective.
Scientology deals with the MIND, while psychiatrists deals with the BRAIN. Mental illnesses are not caused by biologic factors, they are caused by spiritual factors. Drugs seems to be able to soften the symptoms, but they will not erase the mental illness.
Nick
Tom is manifesting the classic signs of a drug induced psychotic disorder. His disorganized appearance on Oprah; his tangential conversation with Matt; his paranoid delusions regarding organized psychiatry. All are symptoms of his drug-induced psychosis. The drug – likely a narcissistic reaction to his inflated ego. Tom – check into a clinic and get the demons audited so you can be cleared. Then get on your spaceship, travel to Xenu the princess warrior and screw a thetan.
Oh, and Nick…yes, I do believe in the human spirit and I definitely believe in past lives. In my past life, I was disabled by repeated episodes of severe major depression. In my new life, I am healthy, productive, and full of human spirit…as well as some psychiatric drugs.
Thanks to anti-psychotic drugs, I am able to visit friends without jumping on their furniture!
Tom Cruise needs to deal with a child that has a real severe case of ADHD like my nephew. If he didn’t have the medications that he takes he would not be able to function in school as a normal student. Before his ritilin (spelling?) he was in special ed classes, and teased harshly. Now he is in regular classes and does extremly well in school. And as for post partum depression, he has NO IDEA! I had it so bad with my first child, good job for Brooke Shields to come out and discuss how hard it was for her and how she got through it. Scientology is a bunch of CRAP! Who wants to take medical advice from Tom Cruise anyhow, he is creep!
Oh, and uhm, “Nick”, you are a fucking moron.
Tom Cruise, Travolta, and his idiot wife can all go to hell and take their idiot “religion” with them. Dr. Cruise needs to graduate from high school before he gives his assanine opinions.
I have been surprised that no schizophrenics have posted on this board before me. So first some background so you can see where I am coming from. I was diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic when I was 14. I had been hearing voices for years before that, and at the time believed people were reading my mind. Ironically, at this time my mental age was 19.9. (That means I have a very high I.Q./achievement level)
First of all, the drugs don’t cause the hallucinations, the drug attempt to stop hallucinations. Granted, they don’t always work, but it is one or maybe even two hells of a lot better than what the scientologists do.
Second, just look up Zenu in the wiki. You’ll see whose crazy.
Third, Tom Cruise just happens to be Dyslexic. A mental condition. I know why you still have trouble reading, you ass.
Fourth, the drugs worked for me.
Fifth, even if they did nothing physically, and still worked, it would be the same as the placebo effect in scientology.
I hope you die in obscurity Tom, so I won’t nknow where to go to deface your tombstone.
TOM CRUISE IS AN IDIOT, and an uneducated one at that. I have worked in the medical profession for many years, and yes, there IS such a thing as a chemical imbalance. There are also hormone imbalances and several medical conditions that can cause severe depression and mental status changes. People by the tens of thousands have been SUCCESSFULLY treated with prescription antidepressants that have given them back their normal lives. Scientology is a bunch of hogwash.
I heard a rumor that Tom didn’t even finish
high school. Whether or not it is true, he most
certainly does NOT have the educational background needed to go on live television and make the comments he made about medicine. He
needs to stick to acting, and his new girlfriend
needs to put her hand over his mouth and shut him up.
Tom Cruise has jumped the shark. Pure idiot.
1) No.
2) No, I am capable of rational thought.
Go here for more information about the stupid cult you joined. And let me know when you’ve finished clearing yourself of body thetans, I’ll have a shot of thorazine waiting for you.
Hi guys, I am a scientologist.
Can you explain the heavy destructive era of psychiatry? Why so many attempts to destroy the individual instead of helping him?
I fundamentally do not believe that mental illness is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. There might be a chemical imbalance that can be proved, but that would be because of the spirit causing it. Adrenalin, another chemical substance, is created by the body when danger occur. You see? It’s caused by the mind detecting danger etc.
Mind over matter, not the other way around, is a motto I believe in. You must understand that the spirit makes the postulates over MEST (Matter, Energy, Space and Time). We, as spritual beings control much more than we think we do.
Mind over matter.
Psychiatry does not believe in spiritual beings, it believes in biological causes. Right?
I know at least two people that has been fully blown clinically depressed, and a couple more that has been on anti-depressants. A childhood friend of mine developed schizofrenia in his twenties, he was on Leponex and Cipramil (Prozac) for years and I doubt that was healthy for his brain. Although we don’t have much contact nowadays he’s told he’s hearing voices etc. That’s sort of really disturbing and scary to hear from someone you’ve had as a friend for like ten years. He stated that he really didn’t think psychiatry worked. Another person I know spent some time in a mental hospital, she didn’t do medication though which I think was good for her.
Based on those experiences, perhaps psychiatry has helped sometimes, and sometimes it hasn’t. It clearly and obviously however hasn’t solved the problem of mental illness, that is something we all must agree on. Psychiatry is more about trying to change the patients condition in some direction. It’s like taking alcohol when you’re sad. It might lift you up that evening but the problem reminds next day.
Scientology can however dig deeper due to the fact that the mental images in the mind can get contacted, resulting in negative charges being blown. This can result in a better health condition, when the basic cause of mental illness are removed. I’ve read about cases where epilepsy has been cured for example. Studdering, manic-depressive syndroms etc. most probably origin from the reactive mind. Dianetics then offers a more sustainable way out of mental illness, although the cure for mental illness is not the basic purpose of Dianetics, it might come as a nice side effect though.
You can bla bla about your Seronotin levels all you want, that’s purely BIOLOGICAL.
I have two questions for you:
1) Do you believe in the human spirit?
2) Do you believe in past lives?
Nick
I used to like Tom Cruise now he make my stomach turn. There is nothing more revolting than someone preaching about something they have no education, knowledge, or experience with.
Tom-You get paid to PRETEND to be other people….you need to stick to that. Unlike what you may believe…us little people out here do have brains, high school diplomas, college degrees and we prefer to get our medical advice from someone with the appropriate PHD. We do not need your devine guidance to make the appropriate choices in our lives. Thanks, but no thanks.
Does that stupid man give any thought to what his children will think of his bizarre behaviour?
He is an education deprived lunatic.
Anyone reading the transcript of his interview with Matt Lauer surely will realize the extent of his ignorance and his lack of any original ideas.
He is a puppet of that stupid Scientology crap.
And, to boot, he is completely nutso.
Xenu lives, though, imprisoned on a planet in an electromagnetic field. Unless we clear our bodies of body thetans, we will continue to suffer. Watch out for Xenu!
Tom Cruise is a pathetic little man. Did Scientology teach him anything about commitment. Mimi Rogers, Nicole Kidman, Penelope Cruz and now Katie Holmes and who know what others?
He is an outrageous dwarf of a man and a Tom Cat to boot.
He is a prime example of someone who has been brainwashed.
Poor Katie, a Catholic girl, who has to now embrace such a ridiculous Cult and make no mistake, that is what Scientology is – a freaking cult. Grow up Tommie Boy.
Geez… what you’d expect from someone like Tom Cruise whom barely finished high school talking about psychiatry?? Duuhh… he’s not a big star, all his last movies suck… he needs publicity ’cause he’s 40 something, he’s not popular anymore.. and also brainless. He must be on crack or something to talk about post partum depression in the way he did.
Tom Cruise.. you better focus in your career, you’re an actor (well that’s what the magazines said), not a doctor!! Idiot, ignorant!! Better start taking something for your Alzheimer…
Tom Cruise is an idiot. First off, I used to respect him as an actor. Now, since he’s become a doctor without actually obtaining his medical degree and offering his “Dr Tom Cruise advice” to millions of people via the NBC Today Show, I have completely written him off as an idiot/actor. He was insulting to Matt Lauer, and furthermore insulting to Brooke Shields and millions of people watching this jerk. Ok, this should sum it up for all actors who might read this. “YOU ARE AN ACTOR” be really good at that, and folks will support you and shell out their hard-earned dough to see your movies. You are not a Doctor or Politician. No one cares what you think in regards to their medical issues or whether are not you support the current political admistration or whatever. Go and live on your hill and swap wives every few years, and lets talk about what and how that effects your kids lives. That, in my opinion is what Tom Crusie can speak about and have direct knowledge first hand.
By the way, We are not going to see the new movie War of the Worlds now. Thats 5 tickets lost.
Tom Cruise has gone the way of Michael Jackson, if one is rich and famous for too long, one goes bonkers, add Scientology to the mix and look out!!
Scientology is a dangerous cult that must be stopped, if you don’t believe me go to “Google” and type “Scientolgy , Suicide” and you will quickly see that this is not fun and games. I’m not a religious person, but Scientology reeks of evil, and if anything was the “the Devils work” , this would be it!
As a Paramedic, I can tell you that Cruise is a prime example of a fool that thinks he knows everything about medicine. But let’s face it, he’s always been a pompous ass. Did anyone see the gag where the interviewer nailed him with a squirtgun microphone? He acted like a petulant child. The bordering on the line of insanity offense he took at that was preposterous, and proves what an (sorry but the word fits) ASSHOLE he is.
Tom Cruise is an uninformed person regarding psychiatry. Not only is he uninformed, his remarks are dangerous. To instruct that a person under prescribed medication should stop taking it and replace the meds with vitamins is irresponsible, and quite frankly, dangerous. I know that he is an actor who needs publicity, and that’s fine. However, he is an uneducated man who did not even finish high school. How much science could he possibly have studied as a high school drop out? Cruise should stick to acting and allow medically trained physicians to handle post-partum depression.
Tom Cruise is full of shit. He has no idea what he’s talking about and needs to shut the hell up. Hey Tom, when did you get your MD? Have you ever suffered serious depression? I doubt it because if you had, you would not be out here making these ridiculous comments. I take the medication Cymbalta and I have never felt better after years of struggling to control my moods depression. I tried counseling, change of diet, exercise and all these other things you claim should work instead of having to depend on pills. Guess what? Those never helped me. And yes Tom, there is such a thing as a chemical imbalance in the brain. In fact, I think you have one, and it has nothing to do with depression, but more of ignorance about something you know nothing about. Whatever helps someone to lead a better life is okay by me.
It is certainly nice to see some good sense in the world. Cruise is merely a token of a prevelant type of person: the Convinced. The beauty of the scientific worldview, with all its flaws and pitfalls, is its love of doubt. Those who can doubt can explore. And, as we all know, life without exploration is stasis: things that are static tend to rot.
B
Dear Katie Holmes,
Once you have married this imbecile (since you sold out and want the possible movie roles that come with being so recognizable), please Baker Act him into a psychiatry ward. It is clear that Mr. Cruise hates “anti psychotics” and psychiatrists for a personal reason, and chooses to hide behind a sci fi writer’s made up “religion” to justify it. He needs your help! Its classic “severe-homophobic-is-really-gay”-itis, just about being crazy instead.
Love,
Most everyone.
someone should tell tom that psychiatry and psychology are different disciplines he fails to distinguish one from the other the fact that he uses these terms interchangeably shows his ignorance
Dogma of any kind stops individual thought, but as this is a form of social suicide, let him jump.
I have identical twin, teenage bipolar sons. Tom Cruise is a dangerous dude. He has no idea what he’s talking about. He attacks Matt Lauer for not being responsible, but how responsible is it that he give millions of people (and kids) the idea that meds are a bad thing? Now THAT’s dangerous, not to mention irresponsible. I believe this starts the downfall of his career – we’re now seeing the ‘real’ Tom that his publicist kept under wraps all this time. What an IDIOT. Spielberg must be shaking in his boots
Who is Tom Cruise kidding? He’s not a doctor, or a member of the AMA, why should we listen? Just because your a scientologist, does not make a scientist and so wordly on all things medical. You have no idea about what you speak of when you talk of pshyciatry. I believe that’s because you have no mind of your own now, it belongs to the brain washers or better known as the scientologists! Shut up about stuff you have no business proclaiming your a expert on. Go shag that little girl of yours, and maybe you need some ritalin to stop all that jumping around your doing.
Tom Cruise is an idiot, brainwashed at the Univesity of Scientology.
Tom needs to stick to acting, and I don’t mean
acting like an idiot.
I say put Matt and Tom in a ring for a Celebrity boxing match. I want to see Matt open a can of
whoop ass on Tom.
No prob, Tim. Not much to say anyways.
Cruise is a smile filled stupid person (aka: idiot) with little talent and no ability to converse in an intelligent manner (like Jay Leno with low brain power)
Tom Cruise, you’re an idiot! If scientolgoy is so great, maybe you should concentrate on working on YOUR issues instead of jumping all over Brook Shields!
Learn something every day, next you’ll tell me they don’t ride about on magical horses eating gum drops off of trees.
Yes, Tim, believe it or not this no-longer-relevant continent is also not entirely lit by gas lamps. I was surprised, too.
Danimal: Yes. Further, they have the interweb in Europe?
Also: apologies to commenter dau, I accidentally deleted your comment when using blacklist to comb comment spam out of the last one-hundred comments. Sorry about that.
He’s just parroting what his church tells him. You weren’t expecting razor insights out of the boy, were you? Are you a jerk or something?
I wish Matt Lauer had asked him about Xenu. Maybe next time…
Makes me want to steal all of his seratonin.