Just more self-fulfilling prophecy from the leftwing nutjobs we’re dealing with in this scenario. I consider myself left of center on a lot of things too, but these morons just alienate themselves with their ideological circle jerks.

I studied that case in detail. Metzger didn’t get fined by the government – he lost in civil court on a wrongful death tort and he more than had it coming. He wasn’t found -guilty- he was found -liable- and if you read the facts of that case he barely skipped by the criminal conviction, too. He wasn’t a victim of the miscarriage of justice, he was a prime example of effective use of the law by an individual to acquire punitive damages on the basis of wrongful death.

It would factually invalid to equate the Pacifica situation to the Metzger case, further, that would be one of a handful of cases in which an individual did, legally, cross acceptable free speech lines by intending to cause harm and death.

On topic though: I think that the invitation of “militants” – joke or not – is an escalation of this situation and is now more likely to result in violence.

@Old Senator:
The correlation is in the fact that the protesters in Iran, as here on campus, have been infiltrated and incited, the ‘revolution’ is fostered through misinformation, plays on EMOTION, fomented–and financially supported, by the people’s REAL enemies: the agenda driven social-control freaks (Hate-Forcers here/USIsrael there).

The playbooks are largely the same.

It’s all too easy to find (and fund) provocateurs who’ll instantly sell- out Truth, in exchange for a crack at falling upwards–rubbing elbows with other players in the “Network”. And much of the youth in both countries are easily manipulated–by design. Most have been breathing in the propaganda since birth and have little conception of the real forces, working through them.

Others, perhaps wiser, are compromised “morally” by the fact that they are already beholding to the Network– when their number is up, they perform or suffer the consequences of ruin.

“What’s next?” you ask. Well, that remains to be seen. In the meantime, the HateForcers have galvanized themselves a whole little and ever expanding community of footsoldiers. Who knows what they will be fomented to do.

But I have a good number of new names on my list of folks to watch, in the upcoming years and months. It will be interesting to note who “falls upward”, who gets discarded, and who eventually speaks out.

Cims G. is pulling a GULLEY here…that is all this sustainable shitstorm is. Congrats Cims…give him one of those tinfoil Nobels like Drew got.

Anyone else see a backstory here?

A STRANGE ALLIANCE IN EUGENE, of Zionists, Communists & Anarchists;

Behind the scenes, a board of Directors created an anti-HATE FORCE; hired a Thought Policeman, who now summons his commrades & militants. So, who works for whom?

A rally cry “we are one”. Is it possible it’s not an alliance at all but a merger?

Betz
Here’s an example of why this issue is even an issue:

Witness the “witness” at work (Williams on FaceBook)

Posted by Michael Williams:

While it is true that “It could be any number of types of people who have done this,” it is also true that only one group of people in our area have consistently presented public programs that
1) deride and disparage the LGBTQ community;
2) promote the neo-Nazi ideologies of White Nationalism / Supremacy, symbolized by the swastika;
3) recently devoted an entire meeting to a video of an anti-immigrant rally of the (neo-Nazi) National Socialist Movement that was literally littered with swastikas.
… See More
This does not mean that any of the Pacifica Forum regulars were involved in the vandalism. (I personally doubt that any were, but I think it a gross insult to even mention the LGBTQA victims in the same breath as possible perpetrators.)

The history of the Pacifica Forum makes clear that Pacifica programs have persistently laid the foundations that justify and encourage expressions of bigotry, consistently expressed in words what the vandals expressed in action, and that PF is the only organization in the region that has done so as publicly as frequently and for so long.

Is there a connection somewhere? Do toxic spills spread?

~
and this:
Posted by Michael Williams

For at least 13 years before the Reichstag fire, the Nazi party had been exploiting racism, white nationalism and antisemitism as organizing tools. (cf. Program of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, 1920), which echoed similar earlier programs in the region.

Existing prejudices and bigotries were cultivated and used to create scapegoats to explain the poor lot of the German people post WWI. This process will sound familiar to anyone who has attended enough Pacifica Forum programs.

Are all the Pacifica Forum members Nazis? No. … See More

Does the mainstream of PF programs use the same methods to exacerbate existing prejudices, to scapegoat minorities (non-Aryan immigrants, Jews, Muslims, homosexuals) as responsible for real or perceived injuries? Yes.

Is it “reasonable” to encourage this scapegoating and organizing and preaching of bigotry in the name of some hypothetical “free speech” that seems unconnected with the First Amendment? Hmmmmmmm …. that depends.

Whether it is “reasonable” to us may depend a lot on who we are, what our experiences in life have been so far.

What may seem to us as “reasonable” because of our experience as a majority member in a relatively homogeneous culture can seem indifferent or hostile to those whose experience is being a minority in a relatively homogeneous culture.

Given Oregon’s racist history, we live in a region of drought where there is entirely too much tinder available to those who would light the fires of hatred. Most of us do not have the everyday experience of working and living in communities where up to half (sometimes more) of our associates are non-white. We do not have the everyday experience of learning what sets our friends and neighbors and co-workers on edge, the code words that give us away, of learning the language and behavior of love, respect, safety and community that can bring us together as human beings committed to the welfare of each.

One step toward learning these skills might be to listen to what our friends say, the friends who are members of the communities singled out for attack by the speakers at Pacifica Forum.

END WILLIAMS SNIP.
NOTES: THE MICHAEL WILLIAMS VERSION OF “PF HISTORY” IS SURE TO BE MORE OF THE SAME STYLE OF LIES.

HE FORGETS THAT ALL OUR PF SESSIONS ARE RECORDED, ME THINKS. OR MAYBE HE SIMPLY DOESN’T CARE IF SOME OF YOU CHECK TO VERIFY HIS ‘CLAIMS’ AND THEN COME UP EMPTY HANDED.

THE ‘FOMENTING’ WORKS ON A PERCENTAGE OF THE STUDENTS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT HE IS AN HONEST BROKER. (WHICH HE IS NOT.)

INTERESTING THAT HE DOESN’T EVEN MENTION THE ANTI-SEMITE RAP ANYMORE.

HAVE A FEW OF HIS RADIO SHOWS TO POST AT pacificaforum.org SOME OF YOU MAY BE INTO COMPARING HIS RHETORIC NOW WITH HIS STUFF FROM 07, AND 08. SAME SENTENCES, DIFFERENT PEJORATIVES… Crafted with $PLC’s help, no doubt– to ‘appeal’ to his current Targeted Audience= The UO Campus Community. SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS.

Tony is right.

I got into an exchange with Michael Williams on the Student Insurgent blog. I’ve only been to one rather inoffensive Pacifica Forum meeting, not counting the recent protests I’ve been to. But I did see Williams and Dan Bryant of the Anti-Hate Task Force on community access TV when they spoke at Pacifica Forum a few years ago.

Here’s an example of what Williams claimed was anti-Semitism:

They did a forum on Alan Dershowitz’ book The Case For Israel. Norman Finkelstein exposed it as having been in part plagiarized from Joan Peters’ book, From Time Immemorial, which he had already exposed as a complete fraud when it came out in 1984. Peters book tried to claim that Palestinians didn’t exist, that Palestine was pretty much empty when the Zionists began to colonize it, and that Palestinians are actually from other Arab countries drawn to Palestine to cash in on the Jews’ presence.

So Pacifica Forum did one forum on Dershowitz’ book, and one on Peters’ book. Seems reasonable. Deshowitz book was a bestseller about a significant issue.

But according to Williams, this was anti-Semitism because they did two forums on plagiarism, both involving Jewish authors. He said he was sure that there were non-Jews who had committed plagiarism. Why didn’t they talk about one of them?

He continued to defend what he said in our exchange on the Insurgent site. He confirmed that my memory of it was accurate. He continued to pretend that the issue was plagiarism and that they had picked the books to discuss simply as an excuse to attack Jews.

I’ve never been impressed by Pacifica Forum, and now they’re bringing in a bunch of stinkin’ Nazis here. But I wouldn’t take anything Michael Williams says at face value.

Jack said his letter was severely edited and that it’s main focus was an Anti-Muslim movie. –2 paragraphs that were chopped.

Also, remember that he has not been at Forum, for 2+ years, now, so he has only the media (and people like ER) to brief him on how to think with re to PF.

He got this part right though:

“…possibly intended as a deliberate thumb-in-the-eye of their watchdogs ..”

Well it’s over. For the first time, our critics have something genuine and not fabricated to sink their hatred into.

Have a good life all~

And Grace, I wish you many happy rereads of that ridiculous email.
maybe you’d like to incorporate my ‘rebuttal’ into your gossip?

http://uoinsurgent.blogspot.com/2010/02/pacifica.html

Metzger was never charged in criminal court. Members of his group went to prison. He was only sued.

PF Related Comment dangling outside of OC PF archive.
[Till now]

http://www.oregoncommentator.com/2010/02/16/noise-complaints/#comments

dc says:
February 18, 2010 at 11:57 am

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