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Is, I think, generally considered an affront to justice by pretty much everyone sensible. Personally, and I think this goes for most of the folks at the OC, I see no problem with same-sex marriages, and I sure as hell don’t want to see marriage made into a federal issue.

Bush is known to be completely wrong on this, but is Kerry also?

“The president and I have the same position, fundamentally, on gay marriage. We do. Same position. But they’re out there misleading people and exploiting it.”

Does that mean that Kerry is also for the FMA? Will Andrew Sullivan react? Stay tuned. Also, how is Bush misleading people and exploiting his very clearly defined stance in favor of the FMA? Huh?

  1. Timothy says:

    All right, there we go, I get it now.

  2. Olly says:

    “They [the Bush campaign] are out there misleading people [by disputing that Bush and Kerry have the same position on gay marriage] and exploiting it [refers back to “exploiting certain issues” in previous line – so, “it” is the issue of gay marriage].”

    It’s perfectly clear. It’s utterly horrifying, yes, but it’s perfectly clear.

  3. Timothy says:

    Okay, but even in that light it still doesn’t make any sense to me…maybe I’m just not nuanced enough to get it. This crap makes my inner libertarian weep.

  4. Olly says:

    Tim: Kerry means Bush is misleading people about Kerry’s stance on gay marriage. For which, well, see previous comment.

  5. Olly says:

    I was ready to throw my drink at the screen when Edwards said “We believe marriage is between a man and a woman” during the VP debate. I’m honestly surprised that Cheney has managed to come out better on gay rights than Kerry/Edwards. (Admittedly, Cheney has only managed to do that by distancing himself personally from Bush, but still.)

    And no, Kerry’s not for the FMA. But he’s not opposed to the idea of it, you understand. Marriage must be defended! Gah. It’s at times like this that I understand some of the frustration the foreign-policy mavens feel about the guy.

  6. Timothy says:

    Kosher? Nahh, but neither is bacon and it’s oh so tasty.

  7. Bret says:

    I don’t know how kosher it is to link to one’s own op-ed as back-up, but I for damn sure like the moxie.

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