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Dear Everyone,

Please understand the following things:

1) The is the blog of the OREGON COMMENTATOR we are not, in fact, The Student Insurgent.

2) We have covered this purely as newsworthy, we’ve little to say on the content of the cartoons. Personally, I liked Coppertone Jesus, but beyond that found them mostly juvenile and dumb.

3) Before commenting on the relative merits of funding such speech via the incidental fee, please read and understand Rosenberger v. Rector, NEA v Finley, and especially Southworth v Board of Regents. This is at least a decent sample of the case law involved, grok this before mouthing off.

4) If you’d like to evangelize to the Student Insurgent in addition to us, email them or feel free to give them a ring.

  1. […] This has caused some ill-directed mass hysteria on the blogosphere and on the interactive portions of our Web site and the Oregon Commentator’s page and led to a rather comical posting on the OC Blog stating what is obvious to any UO media hound

  2. Bryan says:

    I think you may have missed a couple things, E. First, if you think we haven’t given the Insurgent a hard time for their failure to formulate an intelligible argument, you have quite simply not been paying attention. Second, nobody who counts as a regular at this blog has ever claimed that people aren’t free to believe in the hell-fire and brimstone brand of Christianity, or any other brand of Christianity, or any brand of any other religion. Significantly, your pronouncements do in fact make me sort of ill. But I’ll still defend your right to say whatever it is you feel like saying. However, ridicule of a given idea and defense of its right to be aired are not mutually exclusive. If someone says something you don’t like, you can ignore it or you can respond to it or you can wail and moan about it– you can do whatever you like, but you can’t take away their right to offend you through any other mechanism than your own refusal to take offense. Sorry. This is a pretty simple principle you probably should have picked up in a grade school American history class.

  3. E. Martin says:

    You may not have published the offensive material, but you are clearly in sympathy with it, which is the same as supporting it. Here is some verse for you would-be fence-sitters:
    “O Savior, thou who wearest a crown of piercing thorn,
    the pain thou meekly bearest, weighed down by grief and scorn.
    The soldiers mock and flail thee; for drink they give thee gall;
    upon the cross they nail thee to die O King of all.
    No creature is so lowly, no sinner so depraved, but feels thy presence holy and thru thy love is saved.
    Tho craven friends betray thee, they feel thy love’s embrace;
    The very foes who slay thee have access to thy grace.

    It’s not all about hell-fire and brimstone, but even if it were, aren’t people free to believe it if they want to. One of you claimed to be willing to defend to the death people’s right to make you ill, but you are infact only ridiculing and not defending by every insult you have made towards individual’s attempts to defend their beliefs.

    Just because something is legal, doesn’t mean it should be done. I am a Christian, but I don’t make fun of Buddha, or Mohammad, or any other religion, because it is more than just offensive. If you really want to teach people to be free thinkers, than teach them to be truly tolerant — even of religion. Otherwise you are just narrowminded on the secular side.

  4. Matt P. says:

    YES, I LOVE INCOHERENTLY ANGRY CAPSLOCK RANTING! SUCH BRILLIANCE! SUCH OBTUSE CLEVER! SUCH A PERSUASIVE ARGUMENT!

    I propose to take a drink every time someone uses the ol’ Argumentum ad Capslock fallacy. (drink?)

  5. Ian says:

    No, but “YET, YOU SPOKE WITH SUCH OBTUSE CLEVER. ALL OF YOU DID.” is poetic in its rhetorical power.

  6. Olly says:

    Well, that’s slightly disturbing. Also, it didn’t rhyme.

  7. A.L. says:

    IN RESPONSE TO MOST ALL OF YOU “SELF-PROCLAIMED GENIUSES” ABOVE:
    AH, “THE SPEWING OF THE MISGUIDED WRATH CONTINUES..”
    HERE I AM…ON THE SCENE AGAIN, AS THE CEASELESS “ALL CAPS” CULPRIT.
    JUST A NOTE-
    AN E-MAIL HAS ALREADY BEEN SENT DIRECTLY TO THE STUDENT INSURGENT.
    (BELIEVE ME, THE “RESEARCH” HAS BEEN DONE.)
    P.S.
    HEY BLAKE-
    YOUR POSTULATION IS THOROUGHLY IMPRECISE.
    YET, YOU SPOKE WITH SUCH OBTUSE CLEVER. ALL OF YOU DID.

  8. […] I must admit that when I asked for all future Christian proselytizing in our comment section to be done in rhyming verse, I wasn’t expecting that much. (Although I’m sure there are some inadvertant haikus there in ALL CAPS.) Imagine my delight, then, at finding this today, courtesy of Heath: O prudent men of Catholic faith Cease from your plaint of wrong And save up all your vitriol For wicked Bishop Spong […]

  9. Olly says:

    Heath, you’re a fucking (almost typed “goddamn” there, which would hardly be appropriate) genius. That’s wonderful.

  10. Sho says:

    You just made my day Heath. Now all I’m going to do is read up on Bishop Spong on Wikipedia. Hope all is well in your neck of the woods.

  11. Heath says:

    O prudent men of Catholic faith
    Cease from your plaint of wrong
    And save up all your vitriol
    For wicked Bishop Spong

    Who, Wednesday come, at half past sept,
    Will preach upon your grounds
    His d

  12. Timothy says:

    They don’t maintain it.

  13. smatch says:

    Does anyone have a more updated website for the Insurgent? The website you are linking to doesn’t have anything past 2002.

  14. Sho says:

    On second thought, Olly does have a good point. Biblical scripture is so much more easier to understand when written in verse. May I suggest that, instead writing in rhyming verse, commenters use ballad meters.

  15. Olly says:

    Personally, I’m enjoying all this immensely.

    However, I would like to reiterate my earlier request on the Thread That Refused To Die: if you’re going to leave a comment decrying the Insurgent (or us) and citing Scriptural authority to the effect that they, we, and whoever else is going to burn in hell, kindly do so in verse. And make it rhyme, if possible; it’s much more persuasive that way. Thank you.

  16. Andy says:

    Tim, I’m not sure if you read the e-mail I sent to ocomment, but you and Sho read my thoughts exactly.

    Thanks!

  17. Sho says:

    I’m thinking that this post should be added as an update to any blog post which seems to be the entry point for a number of commenters (like “Electronic Insurgent”). However, I’m guessing that 90% of the people posting comments haven’t actually read the post, nor will they actually take a look at any of those links except maybe the PDF of the Insurgent issue. Then again, it wouldn’t hurt.

    Also, you should add on to 1): “We, the Oregon Commentator, did not create nor publish the Jesus cartoons. The Student Insurgent published the cartoons in question.”

    Of course, our identity probably doesn’t matter to most of these commenters as they seem to just want a venue where they can spew their misguided wrath.

  18. Blake says:

    But..but Tim, that would mean doing research! I can’t put forth the effort for that!

    I went to a state school!

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